is white house position different from what president obama says and stated on the campaign trail? >> yes now. they talk about $800 million in new revenue but $1.6 trillion. that is literally double about what the president talked about on the campaign. he talked about a balanced approach that everybody thought to be the bowles-simpson condition was 3 to 1. spending cut to tax increases. this doesn't work out near there. geithner says it's 2-1. a lot of people would say they are taking $1 trillion they already agreed to over a year ago. taking almost another trillion dollars of ending the wars we're going to end anyway. not a shrinking of government. so to get 2 to 1, you have to do a little bit of budget manipulation, let's put it. you talk about the holidays. boehner and geithner can sit together in the room and work it out if they have the will to do so. there is the time to do so. but you know, is there a disposition? is either side willing to give what they need to give? >> jamie: the real question, i know they talk to you. are they talking to each other? you did it separately